Link the the article by Syed Kamaran Mirza: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SKM/contradictions.htm
He writes:
Numerical contradictions
There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations?
How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?
Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the
verses below stated-
Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured
therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…
Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …
Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days
My response:
In the beginning of Article Mr. Kamaran Mirza writes:
Special Note: Quranic ayats are taken mostly from translated Quran by Maulana A. Yousuf Ali and Maulana
Muhiuddin Khan.
Now here why did he choose Maulana Muhiuddin khan's translation?
Let’s see how Yusuf Ali translates.
41: 9. Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all)
the Worlds.
41:10. He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure
therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek
(Sustenance)
2+4=6 right now let’s examine the next verse
41:11. Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come
ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
41:12. So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And
We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of
Knowledge.
Note :
moreover
more•o•ver [maw rovər] adverb
furthermore or besides: used to add a further piece of information that supports a previous statement
Encarta® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by
Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.
It is clear he couldn’t have criticized on the basis of Yusuf Ali’s translation. He cannot calculate 2+2+6 here because the word
Summa or Thumma has been translated as Moreover.
A) The Word Used in 4:11 Thumma has 3 translations:
1) Then
2) Simultaneously
3) Moreover
Right translation will be (2) or (3)
Now if Mr. Mirza raises an argument Universe and Earth were created in millions of years how can God then
create them in 6 days.
We will have to analyze it further.
B) The word used (in verses 4:9 4:10 and 4:12) Yawm. Has got 3 Meanings.
1) Day
2) Epoch
3) Period
Now here the right translation will be (3) or (2)
Dr. Munir Munshey
[041:009] Say, “Do you dare to disbelieve in the One Who created the earth in two periods ( epochs)of time? Do you dare to
set up others as His equal? It is the Lord of the universe (you have dared to disobey)!”
[041:010] He firmly fixed mountains on the earth, that rise high above its surface, and He blessed the earth. He made
arrangements to supply the nourishment needs (for all life forms ever to exist on the earth) in four periods (epochs)of time.
Without exception, (He apportions food) to all who ask for it.
[041:011] (Simultaneously according to ) He turned to the heaven. It was then (just) smoke. To it and the earth, He said,
“Willing or not, eager or averse, (you are being ordered to) come into being!” They replied, “We come willingly!”
[041:012] Then He concluded the creation and organized (the smoke) into seven heavens in two periods (epochs)of time,
and revealed to each its duties and responsibilities. We adorned the heaven of this world with luminary bodies, and We
secured them. This is the destiny appointed by the Mightiest and the most Knowledgeable.
He Writes:
Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see
the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1
which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?
My Response:
Here My Mirza Calculates ignoring the basic rules of Multiplication. BODMAS: In a mathematical equation, irrespective of which
mathematical sign appears first, you will first solve BODMAS: 1st Brackets Off, 2nd Division, 3rd Multiplication, 4th Addition
and 5th Subtraction.
Brother Sami Zaatari debunks this claim here
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltoalisina3.htm
He Writes:
Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the
space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning
Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.
So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
My Response:
1st verse:
[022:047] They taunt you to bring on the punishment at once. Allah does not go back on His words. But as you count, a day
for your Lord equals a thousand of your years.
2nd Verse:
[070:004] The angels and the spirits rise up towards Him during a day that spans fifty thousand years.
(Dr. Munir Munshey’s Quran Translation)
The Period required for 2 separate things need not to be the same.
He Writes:
Creation of the Heaven and Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and
another time he says that the Heaven was created first.
Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into
seven firmaments (Skies)….
Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it;
and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the
earth
Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern
science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing
Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of
ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!
My Response:
Here he takes Yusuf ali’s Translation.
Transliteration:
[002:029] Huwa allathee khalaqa lakum ma fee al-ardi jameeAAan thumma istawa ila alssama-i fasawwahunna sabAAa
samawatin wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun
Thumma:
1) Then
2) Simultaneously
3) Moreover
So the right translation will be .
[002:029] He it is, Who created for you every single thing that exists on earth. (Moreover) He turned to the heavens. He
evened and fashioned them into seven heavens. He is fully aware of every single thing!
With the above correction it is clear Allah created Heavens simultaneously.
Now the point he makes Layers above earth.
…….. HE perfected them as seven heavens; and HE has perfect knowledge of all things.( Sher Ali)
……...He made them complete seven heavens, and He knows all things.(Shakir)
………fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things.(Pickthal)
It is Clear it talks about 7 heavens not 7 layers over earth..
He Writes:
Sun-set and Sun-rise
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:
Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a
muddy spring…
Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no
shelter from it.
Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly,
this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise
there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far
away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.
My Response:
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said:
"O Zul-Qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness". [18:86]
Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection
against the sun. [18:90]
It only says he saw the sun set in a murky water .Does it say Sun sets in a Murky Water? And if Quran is not the word of God
because this is a mistake then please note the ancients always thought sun to be a round Hot Burning thing which is
responsible for heat. Why would then Mohammed (s.a.w) (astagfar nauzubillah if he wrote the Quran which he did not) make a
mistake in saying provider of heat sets into murky water wouldn’t this mean that the heat provider gets extinguished at night?
And if this is so what about the night’s heat. So what was then providing the heat at night? The phenomenon of heat at night
would have been a simple observation. And so we conclude this Verse just describes the the sun set which Zul-Qarnain
experienced. The second verse narrates that Zul-Qarnain turned another direction and traveled on until he saw the sun rise
and it just so happens that he saw it rise on a people who were without shade. Again, a very simple narration.
"They ask thee concerning Zul-Qarnain. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story".18:83
The above verse further proves my claim. And Conclusion Allah here is only describing His story and what he saw.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/iron_gates.htm Read a Beautiful article by Brother Osama. Where he proves God
never claims it sets in Murky water.
He Writes:
A resting place for Sun!?
Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could
collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error:
Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same
path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’
s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck
in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s
rotation.
A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after
setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After
setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will
come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”.
Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A
10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today.
My response:
It is He Who created night and day and the sun and moon, each one swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 21:33)
The word "swim" in the above verse is expressed in Arabic by the word "sabaha" and is used to describe the movement of the
Sun in space. The word means that the Sun does not move randomly through space but that it rotates around its axis and
follows a course as it does so. The fact that the Sun is not fixed in position but rather follows a specific trajectory is also stated
in another verse:
And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Qur'an, 36:38)
These facts set out in the Qur'an were only discovered by means of astronomical advances in our own time. According to
astronomers' calculations, the Sun moves along a path known as the Solar Apex in the path of the star Vega at an incredible
speed of 720,000 kmph. In rough terms, this shows that the Sun traverses some 17.28 million km a day. As well as the Sun
itself, all the planets and satellites within its gravitational field also travel the same distance.
Copied from http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_11.html
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sun_orbit.htm
Regarding the hadith
If there is a scientific error in a hadith that will not label Quran is not the word of God. If there is an error in Quran only then
can it be taken not to be the word of God.
Mr. Mirza Quotes 36:40
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Does it state Sun and Moon running on the space and not colliding? Off course Not.
Previously people thought that the orbit of the Sun and the Moon is same.
But Qur'an gives the indication – ‘No! the orbit of the Sun and the Moon, is different’. The question of catching up does not
arise and each of them,
The Sun and the Moon, they rotate as well as revolve.
1st verse regarding motion of earth.
Have WE not made the earth a fast moving object with den of storage?
{Al-Quran 77:25}
2nd verse reguarding motion of earth.
"Have We not made the earth as a cradle and the mountains like pegs?"
{Al-Quran 78:6-7}.
3rd verse reguarding motion of earth
And the earth is wada'aha for the creatures
{Al-Quran 55:10}
4th verse reguarding motion of earth.
Who has made for you the earth as a farsh.....
{Al-Quran 2:22}
taken from http://www.answering-christianity.com/motion_of_earth.htm
brother Osama proves (Alhamdulilah) how these verses talk about motion http://www.answering-christianity.
com/motion_of_earth.htm
He writes:
Why Allah Created Stars!
Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:
Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as)
missiles to drive away Satans…
Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard
against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast
away from every side.
Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once
again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.
My Response:
Yusuf Ali:
[067:005] And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles
to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
Pickthall:
[037:006] Lo! We have adorned the lowest heaven with an ornament, the planets;
[037:007] With security from every froward devil.
[037:008] They cannot listen to the Highest Chiefs for they are pelted from every side,
Sher Ali:
[037:006] WE have adorned the lowest heaven with an adornment - the planets;
[037:007] And have guarded it against all rebellious satans.
[037:008] They cannot listen to anything from the Exalted Assembly of angels - and they are pelted from every side,
Khalifa:
[037:006] We have adorned the lowest heaven with adorning planets.
[037:007] We guarded it from every evil devil.
[037:008] They cannot spy on the High Society; they get bombarded from every side.
The above translations state God has created lamps in our Heaven and that certainly wouldn’t mean that these lamps can
only be stars because there are things like meteors which project light when they hit earths atmosphere and also these can
refer to spiritual lamps etc anyway even if the word is taken as stars even then there will be no discrepancy because stars do
move.
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q181.html
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=378
and brother Basam has a response to sina’s article too http://www.answering-christianity.
com/bassam_zawadi/rebuttaltoalisina4.htm
He Writes:
Is Sky/Heaven A ROOF or Canopy Over the Earth?
Quran 21: 32 And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.
Quran 31: 10 He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm
Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…
Quran 2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy
Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions of light years
away in all directions.
Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs pillars for support? Do we really have a roof
above us? Is there a canopy above the Earth? Is there anything called above or beneath us? Are mountains there to prevent
Earth from shaking? Give me a break!
Once again Allah considered sky as roof over the Earth, which will broke/shattered during dooms day
Quran 78: 19 And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens…
Quran 82: 1 When the Sky is cleft asunder
Quran 69: 16 And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will That day be flimsy (soft)
Quran 81: 2 When the stars fall, losing their luster.
Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: beautiful blue-sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to
pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as roof/sky or any canopy over the Earth; rather all around Earth is
a limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/shatter or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open , there is no walls, where
from doors will come? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your
head.”
My Response:
Dr. Munir Munshey
[021:032] And (for you), We deemed the sky to be a safe and secure ceiling. Yet, these are the signs they overlook!
The Above verse talks about Ozone layer and it is a matter well known Allah has Created Ozone layer as a Protective
layer for us.
Obviously, the Noble Verses below are not talking about clouds, because clouds are scattered in the air, while Allah Almighty
said that He made the sky (Ozone) a "raised" and "protected roof"! A roof is a one solid piece that covers shelters and
protects the things under it.
Proofs why it is OZONE
1)The Word "raised"
1) proof
Ozone is created naturally in the stratosphere by the combining of atomic oxygen (O) with molecular oxygen (O2). This
process is activated by sunlight. Ozone is destroyed naturally by the absorption of ultraviolet radiation,
O3 + UV >>> O2 + O
and by the collision of ozone with other atmospheric atoms and molecules.
O3 + O >>> 2O2
O3 + O3 >>> 3O2
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7e.html
2) proof
Ozone is formed naturally in the upper stratosphere by short
wavelength ultraviolet radiation. Wavelengths less than ~240
nanometers are absorbed by oxygen molecules (O2), which dissociate to
give O atoms. The O atoms combine with other oxygen molecules to
make ozone:
O2 + hv -> O + O (wavelength < 240 nm)
O + O2 -> O3
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ozone-depletion/intro/Oxygen
Thus we conclude that the ozone which is made up of oxygen which rises to the stratosphere.
2)The word “secure ceiling“
The ozone layer is a layer of ozone gas which surrounds the Earth some 15 to 35 km above its surface. This 20 km wide
layer acts like a natural filter because it prevents most of the sun's ultraviolet rays from reaching the Earth. These
rays could harm us if the ozone filter were not in place. For example, more people would get skin cancer and eye diseases. As
well, animals would be affected and so would farmers' crops and the top layer of our oceans.
So now you can see why it is very important to have this ozone layer around our planet...."
https://www.ec.gc.ca/ozone/DOCS/KIDZONE/EN/guardearth.cfm
3)And it is also capable of “repairing it self”
After the year 2000, the ozone layer will slowly
recover over a period of 50 years or so. The antarctic ozone hole
is expected to last until about 2045. [WMO 1991,1994] copied from http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ozone-depletion/intro/
ozone is capable of repairing itself for references
http://www.unep.org/unep/secretar/ozone/home.htm
http://www.unep.ch/ozone/ (European mirror site for above)
http://www.epa.gov/docs/ozone/index.html
http://www.ciesin.org/TG/OZ/ozpolic.html
[Benedick] R. Benedick, _Ozone Diplomacy_, Harvard, 1991.
[Brasseur and Solomon] G. Brasseur and S. Solomon, _Aeronomy of
the Middle Atmosphere_, 2nd. Edition, D. Reidel, 1986
[Chamberlain and Hunten] J. W. Chamberlain and D. M. Hunten,
_Theory of Planetary Atmospheres_, 2nd Edition, Academic Press, 1987
[Dobson 1968a] G. M. B. Dobson, _Exploring the Atmosphere_,
2nd Edition, Oxford, 1968.
[Dobson 1968b] G. M. B. Dobson, "Forty Years' research on atmospheric
ozone at Oxford", _Applied Optics_, _7_, 387, 1968.
[CIC 1975] Climate Impact Committee, National Research Council,
_Environmental Impact of Stratospheric Flight_,
National Academy of Sciences, 1975.
Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions
of light years away in all directions. Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs
pillars for support?
No there are atmospheric layers above earth.
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/space/ATMO_PHYSICS.HTML
http://pss.fit.edu/gpl/allskycam/skyhome.htm
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/earth/atmosphere.html
And they are around earth too. The space and atmosphere both are around the earth. Does Quran Say there is restriction in
going away?
55:33. O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass
ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!
He Writes:
Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth?
Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun
and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.
Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own
course.
Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again almost in every pages of Quran. Because, Allah
standing in the open Arab desert saw very well that, every morning SUN is rising from the East and gradually (appointed time
or fixed time) setting to the West, and as a result, day and night follows. Allah truly mentioned this wrong knowledge (sun
moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah mentioned Sun & Moon, He mentioned day & night, as if it is due to sun’s
movement day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocrite Mullahs giving false credit to Allah by saying: look Quran
told about sun’s movement 1400 years ago which modern science only found out now. In real world, sun takes 225 millions of
years to make just one complete circle through the solar Universe. And obviously this movement of sun has nothing to do
with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth, because the Earth is stuck to the giant
gravitation force of the Sun, and the Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way we are stuck to the
Earth’s gravitation force and do not feel its movement at all.
Why then, Allah was telling the Sun’s movement again and again. I have already mentioned above, why Allah was hysteric
about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming science here. I wonder, why Allah has to mentioned about
the Sun’s 225 millions year journey (which is even unimaginable to mankind) to tell about day and night? What relation Sun’s
movement has with the day and night?
My Response:
Mr. Mirza Brings 2 verses to prove his claim that Quran states that sun rotates around the earth.
Lets Analyze both verses.
1st Verse:
31:29. Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and he merges Day into Night; that He has subjected the sun, and the
moon (to his Law), each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do?
The above verse clearly says Allah merges Night into Day vice versa.
Let’s analyze: like brother Osama proved Quran mentions that the Earth rotates according to the Quran. This verse further
proves and emphasizes the point.
Merging is a slow and gradual process. The night slowly and gradually changes to day, and the day slowly and
gradually changes to night. This phenomenon is only possible if the shape of the earth is spherical – It is not
possible if it is flat. If it was flat there will be a sudden change
Khalifa Quran Translation
Surah Naziat, (79:30)…. ‘And thereafter, We have made the earth egg-shaped’.
2nd Verse:
Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own
course.
The Arabic word ‘Yasbahoon’, is derived from the word ‘Sabaha’, which describes the motion of a moving body.
The word "swim" in the above verse is expressed in Arabic by the word "sabaha" and is used to describe the movement of the
Sun in space. The word means that the Sun does not move randomly through space but that it rotates around its axis and
follows a course as it does so. The fact that the Sun is not fixed in position but rather follows a specific trajectory is also stated
in another verse.
So does the above verse state Sun orbits around the earth?
He Writes:
Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)?
Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable;
Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?
Allah was sure that earth is flat like a carpet and mountains are there to anchor the earth so that earth does not shake with us.
Allah is really merciful scientist.
My Response:
Surah Naziat, (79:30)…. ‘And thereafter, We have made the earth egg-shaped’.
The above verse says earth is egg shaped so what can 15:19 mean?
Obviously it’s talking about earth’s crust which keeps us safe from Heat from the inner layers of earth.
Now coming to the main issue Quran 78: 6-7
‘The Earth’:
Dr Frank Press: The mountains are wedge shaped - It has deep roots within. And he says that…‘The function of the
mountain is to stabilize the earth.’
It is a scientific miracle in the Quran it mentions 16 00 years ago.
If Mr. Mirza Brings earthquakes in
We will have to note: The Arabic word for ‘earthquake’, is ‘zilzaal’ or ‘zalzala’- But the words used in these Verses is
‘Tamida.’ ‘Tamida’ means ‘to shake’, ‘to ‘sway’, ‘to swing.’
And Mountains prevent crust from shaking
For references:
http://www.scienceweb.org/burgess/geology/origin.html
http://www.edu.pe.ca/southernkings/intro.htm
Geological Concept of Mountains pp. 44-45
Dr Najjat’s book geological concepts in: Quran
The Book: Earth
He Writes:
Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?
Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little
lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another
creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh
banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT;
then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…
Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood
There are serious scientific problems here:
Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are
originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s
assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the
embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case
the clotted blood that is seen to emerge (much of which comes from mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive.
Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead
mass of bloody miscarrying flesh. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he
would be very familiar with miscarriages.
Modern science tells us that, the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth; hence there
are no hard- and- fast boundaries of stages as Quran describes. Quran describes 4 stages, which matches exactly with
Galenic description of development of human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).
Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore, the tissue from
which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and
muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran is telling us). Moreover, most of the muscle
tissue that we humans have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right
into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time
as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically
completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.
Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal
statue out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with
cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of an unlettered
man.
My Response:
1st point
Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are
originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s
assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the
embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage,
The Quran describes the appearance here the stage of Alaqa which Quran describes is like a clot look below. Taken from http:
//www.answering-christianity.com/embryonic_development.htm
The embryo looks like a congealed clot of blood during first 3 to 4 weeks, the blood is clotted within closed
vessels. (Which the Quran describes as Alaqa)
2nd Point:
Modern science tells us that, the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth; hence there
are no hard- and- fast boundaries of stages as Quran describes. Quran describes 4 stages, which matches exactly with
Galenic description of development of human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).
Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore, the tissue from
which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and
muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran is telling us).
embryo takes human appearance then bones FORM after 42nd day it starts looking like a human then the bones are formed
even at this stage Muscles aren’t formed muscles start forming at after the seventh week. Quran is perfect in the stages it
gives.
1) Alaqa (leech like substance, congealed clot of blood, and a thing that clings )
2) Mutga (a chewed like lump)
3) Izma (bones)
4) Leham (flesh)
Sources
‘The Developing Human’ - the 3rd edition author: Professor Keith Moore
He Writes:
Is Religion Compulsive Or Is It Not?
Quran 02: 256 There is no Compulsion in religion….
OR
Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith(Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.
Quran 9: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them and take them captive, and
besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….
Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….
Quran 2: 191 And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the
reward of those who suppress faith.
Quran 8: 65 O Apostle ! rouse the believers to the fight of….unbelievers.
Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet punishment of an apostate in
Islam is, of course, death penalty.
In very many Ayahs Allah claimed that, He has given this Quran in the easy and clear language so that, it will not be difficult to
understand by the ordinary Arabs.
My Response
Lets analyze the verses he gives.
9:28. O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.
And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
9:29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and
His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with
willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
There is no Contradiction. There is no compulsion in religion. And here it talks about the fight with the pagans and the
Muslims. .009: 004] (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who
have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of
their term: for God loveth the righteous.
Here the verse talkes about pagans (read 9:4-28) But if Mr. Mirza makes a point Muslims believe the whole Quran is word of
God and it is meant for whole Humanity and so it allows killing non Muslims. I will say Yes we believe it to be for the whole
humanity till the day of Judgment Thus we SHOULD CONSIDER THE WHOLE QURAN FOR VERSES ON WAR.
Now Read
[002:192] But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[060:91]“It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes,
and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the
wrong doers”
[2:19] Fight in the cause of God THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not (the) transgressors.
[60:8]Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did
not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. (60:8)”
[8:39]And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and
everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do.
Conclusion It will stand Fight
1) Who do wrong
2) Who kick you out of your land
3) Who break their treaties
4) Who Fight you
In Islam we can’t tolerate innocent people being killed (regardless of religion).
[49:13]. O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that
ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he
who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
[60:8-9]“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did
not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. It is only as regards those who fought against
you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to
befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrong doers”
[8-17:33]. Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given
his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by
the Law).
[5:32]. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for
spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he
saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that,
many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
2nd verse.
Mr Mirza Quotes [9:5] . But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an
seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular
prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
He fails to look at the next verse
9: 6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort
him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
IT not only says to not harm PAGANS (disbelievers) but also to escort them to a place of security .
3rd Verse
47: 4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued
them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.
Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but
(He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their
deeds be lost.
What do you do when you meet Disbelievers in fight? You tickle them? And I am 100% sure Mr. Mirza wont tickle any enemy
when he gets in a fight.
4rth Verse
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and
oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they
fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Again this one talks about a war. Mr. Mirza again misses the next verse:
2:192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
5th verse
8:65. O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish
two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
Mr. Mirza again picks a verse from a whole situation and bases claim on it. This is again talking about a fight between pagans
and Muslims. There were rules of war for Muslims.
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He writes:
Numerical contradictions
There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations?
How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?
Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the
verses below stated-
Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured
therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…
Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …
Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days
My response:
In the beginning of Article Mr. Kamaran Mirza writes:
Special Note: Quranic ayats are taken mostly from translated Quran by Maulana A. Yousuf Ali and Maulana
Muhiuddin Khan.
Now here why did he choose Maulana Muhiuddin khan's translation?
Let’s see how Yusuf Ali translates.
41: 9. Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all)
the Worlds.
41:10. He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure
therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek
(Sustenance)
2+4=6 right now let’s examine the next verse
41:11. Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come
ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
41:12. So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And
We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of
Knowledge.
Note :
moreover
more•o•ver [maw rovər] adverb
furthermore or besides: used to add a further piece of information that supports a previous statement
Encarta® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by
Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.
It is clear he couldn’t have criticized on the basis of Yusuf Ali’s translation. He cannot calculate 2+2+6 here because the word
Summa or Thumma has been translated as Moreover.
A) The Word Used in 4:11 Thumma has 3 translations:
1) Then
2) Simultaneously
3) Moreover
Right translation will be (2) or (3)
Now if Mr. Mirza raises an argument Universe and Earth were created in millions of years how can God then
create them in 6 days.
We will have to analyze it further.
B) The word used (in verses 4:9 4:10 and 4:12) Yawm. Has got 3 Meanings.
1) Day
2) Epoch
3) Period
Now here the right translation will be (3) or (2)
Dr. Munir Munshey
[041:009] Say, “Do you dare to disbelieve in the One Who created the earth in two periods ( epochs)of time? Do you dare to
set up others as His equal? It is the Lord of the universe (you have dared to disobey)!”
[041:010] He firmly fixed mountains on the earth, that rise high above its surface, and He blessed the earth. He made
arrangements to supply the nourishment needs (for all life forms ever to exist on the earth) in four periods (epochs)of time.
Without exception, (He apportions food) to all who ask for it.
[041:011] (Simultaneously according to ) He turned to the heaven. It was then (just) smoke. To it and the earth, He said,
“Willing or not, eager or averse, (you are being ordered to) come into being!” They replied, “We come willingly!”
[041:012] Then He concluded the creation and organized (the smoke) into seven heavens in two periods (epochs)of time,
and revealed to each its duties and responsibilities. We adorned the heaven of this world with luminary bodies, and We
secured them. This is the destiny appointed by the Mightiest and the most Knowledgeable.
He Writes:
Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see
the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1
which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?
My Response:
Here My Mirza Calculates ignoring the basic rules of Multiplication. BODMAS: In a mathematical equation, irrespective of which
mathematical sign appears first, you will first solve BODMAS: 1st Brackets Off, 2nd Division, 3rd Multiplication, 4th Addition
and 5th Subtraction.
Brother Sami Zaatari debunks this claim here
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltoalisina3.htm
He Writes:
Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the
space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning
Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.
So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
My Response:
1st verse:
[022:047] They taunt you to bring on the punishment at once. Allah does not go back on His words. But as you count, a day
for your Lord equals a thousand of your years.
2nd Verse:
[070:004] The angels and the spirits rise up towards Him during a day that spans fifty thousand years.
(Dr. Munir Munshey’s Quran Translation)
The Period required for 2 separate things need not to be the same.
He Writes:
Creation of the Heaven and Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and
another time he says that the Heaven was created first.
Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into
seven firmaments (Skies)….
Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it;
and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the
earth
Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern
science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing
Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of
ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!
My Response:
Here he takes Yusuf ali’s Translation.
Transliteration:
[002:029] Huwa allathee khalaqa lakum ma fee al-ardi jameeAAan thumma istawa ila alssama-i fasawwahunna sabAAa
samawatin wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun
Thumma:
1) Then
2) Simultaneously
3) Moreover
So the right translation will be .
[002:029] He it is, Who created for you every single thing that exists on earth. (Moreover) He turned to the heavens. He
evened and fashioned them into seven heavens. He is fully aware of every single thing!
With the above correction it is clear Allah created Heavens simultaneously.
Now the point he makes Layers above earth.
…….. HE perfected them as seven heavens; and HE has perfect knowledge of all things.( Sher Ali)
……...He made them complete seven heavens, and He knows all things.(Shakir)
………fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things.(Pickthal)
It is Clear it talks about 7 heavens not 7 layers over earth..
He Writes:
Sun-set and Sun-rise
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:
Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a
muddy spring…
Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no
shelter from it.
Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly,
this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise
there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far
away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.
My Response:
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said:
"O Zul-Qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness". [18:86]
Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection
against the sun. [18:90]
It only says he saw the sun set in a murky water .Does it say Sun sets in a Murky Water? And if Quran is not the word of God
because this is a mistake then please note the ancients always thought sun to be a round Hot Burning thing which is
responsible for heat. Why would then Mohammed (s.a.w) (astagfar nauzubillah if he wrote the Quran which he did not) make a
mistake in saying provider of heat sets into murky water wouldn’t this mean that the heat provider gets extinguished at night?
And if this is so what about the night’s heat. So what was then providing the heat at night? The phenomenon of heat at night
would have been a simple observation. And so we conclude this Verse just describes the the sun set which Zul-Qarnain
experienced. The second verse narrates that Zul-Qarnain turned another direction and traveled on until he saw the sun rise
and it just so happens that he saw it rise on a people who were without shade. Again, a very simple narration.
"They ask thee concerning Zul-Qarnain. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story".18:83
The above verse further proves my claim. And Conclusion Allah here is only describing His story and what he saw.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/iron_gates.htm Read a Beautiful article by Brother Osama. Where he proves God
never claims it sets in Murky water.
He Writes:
A resting place for Sun!?
Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could
collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error:
Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same
path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’
s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck
in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s
rotation.
A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after
setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After
setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will
come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”.
Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A
10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today.
My response:
It is He Who created night and day and the sun and moon, each one swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 21:33)
The word "swim" in the above verse is expressed in Arabic by the word "sabaha" and is used to describe the movement of the
Sun in space. The word means that the Sun does not move randomly through space but that it rotates around its axis and
follows a course as it does so. The fact that the Sun is not fixed in position but rather follows a specific trajectory is also stated
in another verse:
And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Qur'an, 36:38)
These facts set out in the Qur'an were only discovered by means of astronomical advances in our own time. According to
astronomers' calculations, the Sun moves along a path known as the Solar Apex in the path of the star Vega at an incredible
speed of 720,000 kmph. In rough terms, this shows that the Sun traverses some 17.28 million km a day. As well as the Sun
itself, all the planets and satellites within its gravitational field also travel the same distance.
Copied from http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_11.html
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sun_orbit.htm
Regarding the hadith
If there is a scientific error in a hadith that will not label Quran is not the word of God. If there is an error in Quran only then
can it be taken not to be the word of God.
Mr. Mirza Quotes 36:40
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Does it state Sun and Moon running on the space and not colliding? Off course Not.
Previously people thought that the orbit of the Sun and the Moon is same.
But Qur'an gives the indication – ‘No! the orbit of the Sun and the Moon, is different’. The question of catching up does not
arise and each of them,
The Sun and the Moon, they rotate as well as revolve.
1st verse regarding motion of earth.
Have WE not made the earth a fast moving object with den of storage?
{Al-Quran 77:25}
2nd verse reguarding motion of earth.
"Have We not made the earth as a cradle and the mountains like pegs?"
{Al-Quran 78:6-7}.
3rd verse reguarding motion of earth
And the earth is wada'aha for the creatures
{Al-Quran 55:10}
4th verse reguarding motion of earth.
Who has made for you the earth as a farsh.....
{Al-Quran 2:22}
taken from http://www.answering-christianity.com/motion_of_earth.htm
brother Osama proves (Alhamdulilah) how these verses talk about motion http://www.answering-christianity.
com/motion_of_earth.htm
He writes:
Why Allah Created Stars!
Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:
Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as)
missiles to drive away Satans…
Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard
against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast
away from every side.
Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once
again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.
My Response:
Yusuf Ali:
[067:005] And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles
to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
Pickthall:
[037:006] Lo! We have adorned the lowest heaven with an ornament, the planets;
[037:007] With security from every froward devil.
[037:008] They cannot listen to the Highest Chiefs for they are pelted from every side,
Sher Ali:
[037:006] WE have adorned the lowest heaven with an adornment - the planets;
[037:007] And have guarded it against all rebellious satans.
[037:008] They cannot listen to anything from the Exalted Assembly of angels - and they are pelted from every side,
Khalifa:
[037:006] We have adorned the lowest heaven with adorning planets.
[037:007] We guarded it from every evil devil.
[037:008] They cannot spy on the High Society; they get bombarded from every side.
The above translations state God has created lamps in our Heaven and that certainly wouldn’t mean that these lamps can
only be stars because there are things like meteors which project light when they hit earths atmosphere and also these can
refer to spiritual lamps etc anyway even if the word is taken as stars even then there will be no discrepancy because stars do
move.
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q181.html
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=378
and brother Basam has a response to sina’s article too http://www.answering-christianity.
com/bassam_zawadi/rebuttaltoalisina4.htm
He Writes:
Is Sky/Heaven A ROOF or Canopy Over the Earth?
Quran 21: 32 And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.
Quran 31: 10 He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm
Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…
Quran 2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy
Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions of light years
away in all directions.
Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs pillars for support? Do we really have a roof
above us? Is there a canopy above the Earth? Is there anything called above or beneath us? Are mountains there to prevent
Earth from shaking? Give me a break!
Once again Allah considered sky as roof over the Earth, which will broke/shattered during dooms day
Quran 78: 19 And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens…
Quran 82: 1 When the Sky is cleft asunder
Quran 69: 16 And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will That day be flimsy (soft)
Quran 81: 2 When the stars fall, losing their luster.
Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: beautiful blue-sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to
pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as roof/sky or any canopy over the Earth; rather all around Earth is
a limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/shatter or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open , there is no walls, where
from doors will come? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your
head.”
My Response:
Dr. Munir Munshey
[021:032] And (for you), We deemed the sky to be a safe and secure ceiling. Yet, these are the signs they overlook!
The Above verse talks about Ozone layer and it is a matter well known Allah has Created Ozone layer as a Protective
layer for us.
Obviously, the Noble Verses below are not talking about clouds, because clouds are scattered in the air, while Allah Almighty
said that He made the sky (Ozone) a "raised" and "protected roof"! A roof is a one solid piece that covers shelters and
protects the things under it.
Proofs why it is OZONE
1)The Word "raised"
1) proof
Ozone is created naturally in the stratosphere by the combining of atomic oxygen (O) with molecular oxygen (O2). This
process is activated by sunlight. Ozone is destroyed naturally by the absorption of ultraviolet radiation,
O3 + UV >>> O2 + O
and by the collision of ozone with other atmospheric atoms and molecules.
O3 + O >>> 2O2
O3 + O3 >>> 3O2
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7e.html
2) proof
Ozone is formed naturally in the upper stratosphere by short
wavelength ultraviolet radiation. Wavelengths less than ~240
nanometers are absorbed by oxygen molecules (O2), which dissociate to
give O atoms. The O atoms combine with other oxygen molecules to
make ozone:
O2 + hv -> O + O (wavelength < 240 nm)
O + O2 -> O3
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ozone-depletion/intro/Oxygen
Thus we conclude that the ozone which is made up of oxygen which rises to the stratosphere.
2)The word “secure ceiling“
The ozone layer is a layer of ozone gas which surrounds the Earth some 15 to 35 km above its surface. This 20 km wide
layer acts like a natural filter because it prevents most of the sun's ultraviolet rays from reaching the Earth. These
rays could harm us if the ozone filter were not in place. For example, more people would get skin cancer and eye diseases. As
well, animals would be affected and so would farmers' crops and the top layer of our oceans.
So now you can see why it is very important to have this ozone layer around our planet...."
https://www.ec.gc.ca/ozone/DOCS/KIDZONE/EN/guardearth.cfm
3)And it is also capable of “repairing it self”
After the year 2000, the ozone layer will slowly
recover over a period of 50 years or so. The antarctic ozone hole
is expected to last until about 2045. [WMO 1991,1994] copied from http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ozone-depletion/intro/
ozone is capable of repairing itself for references
http://www.unep.org/unep/secretar/ozone/home.htm
http://www.unep.ch/ozone/ (European mirror site for above)
http://www.epa.gov/docs/ozone/index.html
http://www.ciesin.org/TG/OZ/ozpolic.html
[Benedick] R. Benedick, _Ozone Diplomacy_, Harvard, 1991.
[Brasseur and Solomon] G. Brasseur and S. Solomon, _Aeronomy of
the Middle Atmosphere_, 2nd. Edition, D. Reidel, 1986
[Chamberlain and Hunten] J. W. Chamberlain and D. M. Hunten,
_Theory of Planetary Atmospheres_, 2nd Edition, Academic Press, 1987
[Dobson 1968a] G. M. B. Dobson, _Exploring the Atmosphere_,
2nd Edition, Oxford, 1968.
[Dobson 1968b] G. M. B. Dobson, "Forty Years' research on atmospheric
ozone at Oxford", _Applied Optics_, _7_, 387, 1968.
[CIC 1975] Climate Impact Committee, National Research Council,
_Environmental Impact of Stratospheric Flight_,
National Academy of Sciences, 1975.
Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions
of light years away in all directions. Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs
pillars for support?
No there are atmospheric layers above earth.
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/space/ATMO_PHYSICS.HTML
http://pss.fit.edu/gpl/allskycam/skyhome.htm
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/earth/atmosphere.html
And they are around earth too. The space and atmosphere both are around the earth. Does Quran Say there is restriction in
going away?
55:33. O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass
ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!
He Writes:
Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth?
Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun
and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.
Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own
course.
Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again almost in every pages of Quran. Because, Allah
standing in the open Arab desert saw very well that, every morning SUN is rising from the East and gradually (appointed time
or fixed time) setting to the West, and as a result, day and night follows. Allah truly mentioned this wrong knowledge (sun
moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah mentioned Sun & Moon, He mentioned day & night, as if it is due to sun’s
movement day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocrite Mullahs giving false credit to Allah by saying: look Quran
told about sun’s movement 1400 years ago which modern science only found out now. In real world, sun takes 225 millions of
years to make just one complete circle through the solar Universe. And obviously this movement of sun has nothing to do
with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth, because the Earth is stuck to the giant
gravitation force of the Sun, and the Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way we are stuck to the
Earth’s gravitation force and do not feel its movement at all.
Why then, Allah was telling the Sun’s movement again and again. I have already mentioned above, why Allah was hysteric
about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming science here. I wonder, why Allah has to mentioned about
the Sun’s 225 millions year journey (which is even unimaginable to mankind) to tell about day and night? What relation Sun’s
movement has with the day and night?
My Response:
Mr. Mirza Brings 2 verses to prove his claim that Quran states that sun rotates around the earth.
Lets Analyze both verses.
1st Verse:
31:29. Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and he merges Day into Night; that He has subjected the sun, and the
moon (to his Law), each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do?
The above verse clearly says Allah merges Night into Day vice versa.
Let’s analyze: like brother Osama proved Quran mentions that the Earth rotates according to the Quran. This verse further
proves and emphasizes the point.
Merging is a slow and gradual process. The night slowly and gradually changes to day, and the day slowly and
gradually changes to night. This phenomenon is only possible if the shape of the earth is spherical – It is not
possible if it is flat. If it was flat there will be a sudden change
Khalifa Quran Translation
Surah Naziat, (79:30)…. ‘And thereafter, We have made the earth egg-shaped’.
2nd Verse:
Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own
course.
The Arabic word ‘Yasbahoon’, is derived from the word ‘Sabaha’, which describes the motion of a moving body.
The word "swim" in the above verse is expressed in Arabic by the word "sabaha" and is used to describe the movement of the
Sun in space. The word means that the Sun does not move randomly through space but that it rotates around its axis and
follows a course as it does so. The fact that the Sun is not fixed in position but rather follows a specific trajectory is also stated
in another verse.
So does the above verse state Sun orbits around the earth?
He Writes:
Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)?
Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable;
Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?
Allah was sure that earth is flat like a carpet and mountains are there to anchor the earth so that earth does not shake with us.
Allah is really merciful scientist.
My Response:
Surah Naziat, (79:30)…. ‘And thereafter, We have made the earth egg-shaped’.
The above verse says earth is egg shaped so what can 15:19 mean?
Obviously it’s talking about earth’s crust which keeps us safe from Heat from the inner layers of earth.
Now coming to the main issue Quran 78: 6-7
‘The Earth’:
Dr Frank Press: The mountains are wedge shaped - It has deep roots within. And he says that…‘The function of the
mountain is to stabilize the earth.’
It is a scientific miracle in the Quran it mentions 16 00 years ago.
If Mr. Mirza Brings earthquakes in
We will have to note: The Arabic word for ‘earthquake’, is ‘zilzaal’ or ‘zalzala’- But the words used in these Verses is
‘Tamida.’ ‘Tamida’ means ‘to shake’, ‘to ‘sway’, ‘to swing.’
And Mountains prevent crust from shaking
For references:
http://www.scienceweb.org/burgess/geology/origin.html
http://www.edu.pe.ca/southernkings/intro.htm
Geological Concept of Mountains pp. 44-45
Dr Najjat’s book geological concepts in: Quran
The Book: Earth
He Writes:
Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?
Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little
lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another
creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh
banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT;
then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…
Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood
There are serious scientific problems here:
Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are
originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s
assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the
embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case
the clotted blood that is seen to emerge (much of which comes from mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive.
Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead
mass of bloody miscarrying flesh. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he
would be very familiar with miscarriages.
Modern science tells us that, the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth; hence there
are no hard- and- fast boundaries of stages as Quran describes. Quran describes 4 stages, which matches exactly with
Galenic description of development of human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).
Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore, the tissue from
which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and
muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran is telling us). Moreover, most of the muscle
tissue that we humans have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right
into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time
as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically
completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.
Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal
statue out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with
cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of an unlettered
man.
My Response:
1st point
Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are
originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s
assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the
embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage,
The Quran describes the appearance here the stage of Alaqa which Quran describes is like a clot look below. Taken from http:
//www.answering-christianity.com/embryonic_development.htm
The embryo looks like a congealed clot of blood during first 3 to 4 weeks, the blood is clotted within closed
vessels. (Which the Quran describes as Alaqa)
2nd Point:
Modern science tells us that, the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth; hence there
are no hard- and- fast boundaries of stages as Quran describes. Quran describes 4 stages, which matches exactly with
Galenic description of development of human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).
Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore, the tissue from
which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and
muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran is telling us).
embryo takes human appearance then bones FORM after 42nd day it starts looking like a human then the bones are formed
even at this stage Muscles aren’t formed muscles start forming at after the seventh week. Quran is perfect in the stages it
gives.
1) Alaqa (leech like substance, congealed clot of blood, and a thing that clings )
2) Mutga (a chewed like lump)
3) Izma (bones)
4) Leham (flesh)
Sources
‘The Developing Human’ - the 3rd edition author: Professor Keith Moore
He Writes:
Is Religion Compulsive Or Is It Not?
Quran 02: 256 There is no Compulsion in religion….
OR
Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith(Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.
Quran 9: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them and take them captive, and
besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….
Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….
Quran 2: 191 And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the
reward of those who suppress faith.
Quran 8: 65 O Apostle ! rouse the believers to the fight of….unbelievers.
Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet punishment of an apostate in
Islam is, of course, death penalty.
In very many Ayahs Allah claimed that, He has given this Quran in the easy and clear language so that, it will not be difficult to
understand by the ordinary Arabs.
My Response
Lets analyze the verses he gives.
9:28. O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.
And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
9:29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and
His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with
willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
There is no Contradiction. There is no compulsion in religion. And here it talks about the fight with the pagans and the
Muslims. .009: 004] (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who
have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of
their term: for God loveth the righteous.
Here the verse talkes about pagans (read 9:4-28) But if Mr. Mirza makes a point Muslims believe the whole Quran is word of
God and it is meant for whole Humanity and so it allows killing non Muslims. I will say Yes we believe it to be for the whole
humanity till the day of Judgment Thus we SHOULD CONSIDER THE WHOLE QURAN FOR VERSES ON WAR.
Now Read
[002:192] But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[060:91]“It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes,
and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the
wrong doers”
[2:19] Fight in the cause of God THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not (the) transgressors.
[60:8]Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did
not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. (60:8)”
[8:39]And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and
everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do.
Conclusion It will stand Fight
1) Who do wrong
2) Who kick you out of your land
3) Who break their treaties
4) Who Fight you
In Islam we can’t tolerate innocent people being killed (regardless of religion).
[49:13]. O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that
ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he
who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
[60:8-9]“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did
not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. It is only as regards those who fought against
you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to
befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrong doers”
[8-17:33]. Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given
his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by
the Law).
[5:32]. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for
spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he
saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that,
many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
2nd verse.
Mr Mirza Quotes [9:5] . But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an
seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular
prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
He fails to look at the next verse
9: 6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort
him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
IT not only says to not harm PAGANS (disbelievers) but also to escort them to a place of security .
3rd Verse
47: 4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued
them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.
Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but
(He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their
deeds be lost.
What do you do when you meet Disbelievers in fight? You tickle them? And I am 100% sure Mr. Mirza wont tickle any enemy
when he gets in a fight.
4rth Verse
2:191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and
oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they
fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Again this one talks about a war. Mr. Mirza again misses the next verse:
2:192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
5th verse
8:65. O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish
two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
Mr. Mirza again picks a verse from a whole situation and bases claim on it. This is again talking about a fight between pagans
and Muslims. There were rules of war for Muslims.
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