http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/samaritans.htm
He Wrote
In the Bible (Exodus 32) there is a story about Israelites worshiping a calf when Moses went to Mount Sinai to receive the Ten
Commandments from God. When he returned he was angered and ordered “everyone to put on his sword and kill his
brothers, his friends, and his neighbors” (Ex.32:27). In this story the culprits are the Israelites and Aaron the brother of Moses
who let himself to be influenced by them. This incident is reported in the Quran in following verse.
He [Allah] said, "We have tempted thy people since thou didst leave them. The Samaritan (in Arabic Samiri) has led them into
error." Then Moses returned ... ... and we cast them [(gold) ornaments], as the Samaritan also threw them, into the fire." (Then
he brought out for them a Calf, a mere body that lowed; and they said, "This is your god, and the god of Moses, whom he has
forgotten.") ... Moses said, "And thou, Samaritan, what was thy business?" ...
– Quran 20:85-88, 95
In the Quranic version the culprit is the Samaritan who mislead the Jews into worshiping the bull. But in the original story of the
Bible there is no mention of any Samaritan. Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted. But the fact is that when Moses was
alive, there were no Samaritans at all. According to 1 King 16:24 Samaria was a hill belonging to Shemer that was purchased
by King Omri where he founded the city of Samaria about 870 B.C. The Samaritans as a distinct people only emerged after
the exile of the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the resettlement of the area under king Sargon II after 722 B.C.
My Response
Yes, but had you been smart enough, you would know this argument of yours has already been responded to.
Therefore he are the links to your argument:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/samaritan.html
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/BBsamari.html
So this supposed error has already been responded to.
He Wrote
Moses lived 1400 years B.C. That is five to seven century before anyone could be called Samaritan (Sameri). Therefore the
explanation of the Quran that Samaritans led the Jews to worship a calf cannot be correct. At the time of Moses Samaria did
not exist and no one could be the citizen of a city that did not exist.
My Response
Yes, go read the link before you keep blabbering off.
He Wrote
One wonders where Muhammad got the idea of Samaritans leading Israelites to idolatry? The answer to this confusion can be
found in another similar story of calf-worshiping narrated in the (1 King 12:26-33). This episode happened during the time of
Jeroboam. This was a time when the Jews were split into two kingdoms, the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the Southern
kingdom of the Judah; Jerusalem being the major center of the worship for all the Jews was in Judah. Holy towns attract
pilgrims, promote commerce and generate income. Jeroboam who was the king of the Israel, thought that not having a holy
place of worship in his kingdom is weakening his position. So he decided to build a temple in Samaria, the seat of the Northern
Kingdom, adorning it with the statutes of two golden calves to rival Jerusalem as the center of worship.
My Response
Yes and? Are you trying to say Muhammad mixed the two? Bring your evidence of this, because you have not yet,
you are only assuming. I also tell you to go read the link before you go blabbering off, and sadly you have
continued to blabber off.
He Wrote
Biblical Scholars like Richard Elliot Friedman believe that the first story of the Jews worshiping the golden calf during the time
of Moses to which Quran is alluding, actually did never happen. They believe that this story was fabricated by the writers of
the Bible who were the high priests and the custodians of the temple of God in Jerusalem, to discredit Jerobeam and his
temple in the Northern Kingdom. They invented the story of Moses and the golden calf, claiming that it provoked the wrath and
punishment of God during the time of Moses. This did certainly send a strong message to the Jews that the temple erected by
Jerobeam is unacceptable by God. Most probably the calves adorning the temple of Israel were symbolic and were not
intended to be worshiped. Yet the story of the calf-worshiping-Jews, provoking the wrath of God, in the time of Moses had its
intended effect. Emergence of a new temple in the North would not have only undermined the importance of Jerusalem as the
sole religious center for all the Jews, but it would have also separated religiously a nation already split politically.
My Response
It gets from bad to worse. Now Ali is saying that he believes that the story and Moses and the calf in the Bible is
not true but a fabrication! Hillarious indeed, to make it even more better, I will leave this for Shamoun to respond
to if he ever feels like it. So Ali Sina brings no proof, he is just saying yes this scholar said this, Ali has commited
the fallicy of appealing to authority. Just because one scholar said it, does not make it true. So no poof of what
he says, if you actually read what he says the majority of it is based on ASSUMPTIONS, and you do know what
happens when you assume? You make an ass out of yourself. :) (thats the slang)
He Wrote
Hosea echoed his disapproval of the northern temple in the following terms.
Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? They are from
Israel! This calf - a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. -- Hosea 8:5-6
This is a warning to the Jews of 700 B.C. living in Samaria. It has nothing to do with the story of Moses and the Golden calf.
Muhammad must have heard these two stories. But he confused the two and placed the Samaritans in a wrong context. Quran
further continues:
“Moses said: "Get thee gone! but thy (punishment) in this life will be that thou wilt say, 'touch me not'; and moreover (for a
future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: Now look at thy god, of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: We
will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast” (Qur'an 20:97)
My Response
Well Ali Sina has lost the plot, he is making several incredible accusations against the prophet and cant prove it!
Oh no, wait it minute, maybe its just me, yah Ali Sina gave very strong evidence I mean look at what he said:
Muhammad must have heard these two stories. But he confused the two and placed the Samaritans in a wrong context
Yah, I think its just me, maybe I just cant see the strong argument of Ali Sina, I mean look at his argument!
Muhammad must have heard the story and mixed it! WOW! Now thats what you call solid evidence dont you?
See mr Ali how laughable your arguments are? Do you expect people to take you seriously with silly arguments
like this? I mean if you had some good evidence, maybe we would consider it, but your arguments are ludicrus at
best. You first state the Biblical account never even took place, it was a fabrication based on the view of one
scholar, which is the fallacy of appealing to authority. You then bring a story up from the OT and go on to say
Muhammad mixed them up, you show no evidence on this, but yes you go on to say Muhammad MUST HAVE
mixed them up. Dont give us your assumptions, bring forth your evidence that he copied it! You have not, you
have just blabbered.
He Wrote
It is interesting to note that in this verse the Quran alludes to the fact that the Samaritans were regarded as untouchables
(thou wilt say, ‘touch me not’) by the Jews. In fact the Israelites looked down at Samarians and considered them “untouchable”
(Najis) because of their idolatry. But this stigma was not placed on the Samaritans by Moses. There were no Samaritans in the
time of Moses. They earned this designation by the Jews centuries later.
My Response
Yes, more blabbering, here is the link that once again refutes your initial argument:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/samaritan.html
So another terrible argument, let us see what Ali Sina has basically done in this article:
1- He claimed that the Biblical account of the calf is fabricated and never happened.
2- He claims Muhammad mixed up two accounts without even givine ONE piece of evidence.
Very nice job my freind, future advice to you is this, next time you say Muhammad copied this or mixed this and
that, bring your proof, not some rubbish and say ah yes see! Look they are similar so Muhammad copied it! No my
freind, that is not proof.
For the good of the reader, here is a link responding to several arguments on Muhammad supposedly borrowing
and plagerising:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/
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He Wrote
In the Bible (Exodus 32) there is a story about Israelites worshiping a calf when Moses went to Mount Sinai to receive the Ten
Commandments from God. When he returned he was angered and ordered “everyone to put on his sword and kill his
brothers, his friends, and his neighbors” (Ex.32:27). In this story the culprits are the Israelites and Aaron the brother of Moses
who let himself to be influenced by them. This incident is reported in the Quran in following verse.
He [Allah] said, "We have tempted thy people since thou didst leave them. The Samaritan (in Arabic Samiri) has led them into
error." Then Moses returned ... ... and we cast them [(gold) ornaments], as the Samaritan also threw them, into the fire." (Then
he brought out for them a Calf, a mere body that lowed; and they said, "This is your god, and the god of Moses, whom he has
forgotten.") ... Moses said, "And thou, Samaritan, what was thy business?" ...
– Quran 20:85-88, 95
In the Quranic version the culprit is the Samaritan who mislead the Jews into worshiping the bull. But in the original story of the
Bible there is no mention of any Samaritan. Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted. But the fact is that when Moses was
alive, there were no Samaritans at all. According to 1 King 16:24 Samaria was a hill belonging to Shemer that was purchased
by King Omri where he founded the city of Samaria about 870 B.C. The Samaritans as a distinct people only emerged after
the exile of the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the resettlement of the area under king Sargon II after 722 B.C.
My Response
Yes, but had you been smart enough, you would know this argument of yours has already been responded to.
Therefore he are the links to your argument:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/samaritan.html
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/BBsamari.html
So this supposed error has already been responded to.
He Wrote
Moses lived 1400 years B.C. That is five to seven century before anyone could be called Samaritan (Sameri). Therefore the
explanation of the Quran that Samaritans led the Jews to worship a calf cannot be correct. At the time of Moses Samaria did
not exist and no one could be the citizen of a city that did not exist.
My Response
Yes, go read the link before you keep blabbering off.
He Wrote
One wonders where Muhammad got the idea of Samaritans leading Israelites to idolatry? The answer to this confusion can be
found in another similar story of calf-worshiping narrated in the (1 King 12:26-33). This episode happened during the time of
Jeroboam. This was a time when the Jews were split into two kingdoms, the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the Southern
kingdom of the Judah; Jerusalem being the major center of the worship for all the Jews was in Judah. Holy towns attract
pilgrims, promote commerce and generate income. Jeroboam who was the king of the Israel, thought that not having a holy
place of worship in his kingdom is weakening his position. So he decided to build a temple in Samaria, the seat of the Northern
Kingdom, adorning it with the statutes of two golden calves to rival Jerusalem as the center of worship.
My Response
Yes and? Are you trying to say Muhammad mixed the two? Bring your evidence of this, because you have not yet,
you are only assuming. I also tell you to go read the link before you go blabbering off, and sadly you have
continued to blabber off.
He Wrote
Biblical Scholars like Richard Elliot Friedman believe that the first story of the Jews worshiping the golden calf during the time
of Moses to which Quran is alluding, actually did never happen. They believe that this story was fabricated by the writers of
the Bible who were the high priests and the custodians of the temple of God in Jerusalem, to discredit Jerobeam and his
temple in the Northern Kingdom. They invented the story of Moses and the golden calf, claiming that it provoked the wrath and
punishment of God during the time of Moses. This did certainly send a strong message to the Jews that the temple erected by
Jerobeam is unacceptable by God. Most probably the calves adorning the temple of Israel were symbolic and were not
intended to be worshiped. Yet the story of the calf-worshiping-Jews, provoking the wrath of God, in the time of Moses had its
intended effect. Emergence of a new temple in the North would not have only undermined the importance of Jerusalem as the
sole religious center for all the Jews, but it would have also separated religiously a nation already split politically.
My Response
It gets from bad to worse. Now Ali is saying that he believes that the story and Moses and the calf in the Bible is
not true but a fabrication! Hillarious indeed, to make it even more better, I will leave this for Shamoun to respond
to if he ever feels like it. So Ali Sina brings no proof, he is just saying yes this scholar said this, Ali has commited
the fallicy of appealing to authority. Just because one scholar said it, does not make it true. So no poof of what
he says, if you actually read what he says the majority of it is based on ASSUMPTIONS, and you do know what
happens when you assume? You make an ass out of yourself. :) (thats the slang)
He Wrote
Hosea echoed his disapproval of the northern temple in the following terms.
Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? They are from
Israel! This calf - a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. -- Hosea 8:5-6
This is a warning to the Jews of 700 B.C. living in Samaria. It has nothing to do with the story of Moses and the Golden calf.
Muhammad must have heard these two stories. But he confused the two and placed the Samaritans in a wrong context. Quran
further continues:
“Moses said: "Get thee gone! but thy (punishment) in this life will be that thou wilt say, 'touch me not'; and moreover (for a
future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: Now look at thy god, of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: We
will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast” (Qur'an 20:97)
My Response
Well Ali Sina has lost the plot, he is making several incredible accusations against the prophet and cant prove it!
Oh no, wait it minute, maybe its just me, yah Ali Sina gave very strong evidence I mean look at what he said:
Muhammad must have heard these two stories. But he confused the two and placed the Samaritans in a wrong context
Yah, I think its just me, maybe I just cant see the strong argument of Ali Sina, I mean look at his argument!
Muhammad must have heard the story and mixed it! WOW! Now thats what you call solid evidence dont you?
See mr Ali how laughable your arguments are? Do you expect people to take you seriously with silly arguments
like this? I mean if you had some good evidence, maybe we would consider it, but your arguments are ludicrus at
best. You first state the Biblical account never even took place, it was a fabrication based on the view of one
scholar, which is the fallacy of appealing to authority. You then bring a story up from the OT and go on to say
Muhammad mixed them up, you show no evidence on this, but yes you go on to say Muhammad MUST HAVE
mixed them up. Dont give us your assumptions, bring forth your evidence that he copied it! You have not, you
have just blabbered.
He Wrote
It is interesting to note that in this verse the Quran alludes to the fact that the Samaritans were regarded as untouchables
(thou wilt say, ‘touch me not’) by the Jews. In fact the Israelites looked down at Samarians and considered them “untouchable”
(Najis) because of their idolatry. But this stigma was not placed on the Samaritans by Moses. There were no Samaritans in the
time of Moses. They earned this designation by the Jews centuries later.
My Response
Yes, more blabbering, here is the link that once again refutes your initial argument:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/samaritan.html
So another terrible argument, let us see what Ali Sina has basically done in this article:
1- He claimed that the Biblical account of the calf is fabricated and never happened.
2- He claims Muhammad mixed up two accounts without even givine ONE piece of evidence.
Very nice job my freind, future advice to you is this, next time you say Muhammad copied this or mixed this and
that, bring your proof, not some rubbish and say ah yes see! Look they are similar so Muhammad copied it! No my
freind, that is not proof.
For the good of the reader, here is a link responding to several arguments on Muhammad supposedly borrowing
and plagerising:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/
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