http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/crucifixion.htm
He Wrote
Despite the fact that all Christians believe that Christ was crucified, which is also clearly stated in the Mark 15. 21-41; Matt.
27.32-44; Luke 23. 26-43 and John 19. 17-27, Quran states that it wasn't Jesus that the Jews crucified but someone
resembling him.
My Response
From me, Osama Abdallah:
Not all "Christians" believe that Jesus got crucified. The Early Christians' Doctrines clearly declared that Jesus never
got crucified! In fact, several of the Disciples' original writings (Peter, John, Barnabas and others), not the third-party and
mysterious written books and narrations that you have today in the so-called "books and "gospels", clearly declared that Jesus
never got crucified, with their own original hand-writings and words!
To the reader, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac24.htm#links to see the clear-cut proofs and quotes!
Ali Sina begins his article with a fallacy, he states that Christians believe in the crucifixtion as if its something
special. The fact is satanists believe satan is God, does that matter? So what point is there in Ali making that
statement? There is non. Just because Christians believe Jesus died does not mean anything. So him saying that
basically has nuthing to do with anything, if his article was comparing Muslims and Christians then he would have
a point, however so his article is an attack on Islam and saying Christians believe something other than what
Islam teaches means NUTHING. Christians believing Jesus died doesnt disprove Islam, as a matter of fact I would
like to thank Sina for bringing this up, because it actually backfires against him later on.
He Wrote
"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," -
but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that
man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture.
For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)
My Response
Now its good he posts this verse, because this verse from the Quran calls the Bible corrupt, notice what it says:
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but
they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that
man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but
conjecture. For surely; they killed him not
Notice how the Quran states that those who believe Jesus died that they follow nuthing but corruption, what
book says that Jesus died on the cross? The Bible does, therefore the Bible is corrupt therefore the Christians
are wrong, so Ali saying Christians say Jesus dies means NUTHING because Quran corrects this.
He Wrote
The story of Christ being lifted to heaven "in body and soul" is obviously contrary to all logic and science
My Response
I am grateful Ali Zina said that, because now lets see how his earlier comments which were:
Despite the fact that all Christians believe that Christ was crucified, which is also clearly stated in the Mark 15. 21-41; Matt.
27.32-44; Luke 23. 26-43 and John 19. 17-27
Note how he says what Christians believe as if what they say is true, and Sina himself gives the impression that
its true, but the reason why this backfires against him is because he attack the Quran on this reason:
The story of Christ being lifted to heaven "in body and soul" is obviously contrary to all logic and science
Now wait a minute, according to Christians Jesus didnt just die, he rose on the third day! Now that is also
contrary to all logic and science! So then why did Sina mention what Christians believe as if they are correct,
when the Christians belief is also contrary to science and logic! This shows how stupid Sina is and how he lies
like a fool. So thank you Sina for exposing yourself. Your a lowlife, your a loser, just wanted to remind you of that.
He Wrote
One wonders what kind of Heaven Muhammad was envisioning? The above verse implies that Muhammad believed heaven
must be a geographic place and that God has a physical body. Because if he had thought that Heaven is a spiritual realm,
then where did the body of Jesus go?
My Response
Heaven or paradise is in this world, this physical universe, not some where else, it not like a button, you die and
go into another world, its not like that. So stop attacking straw mans by saying where did the body of Jesus go,
because Islam's heaven is in this universe, not some different world. Is that a problem? No it isnt, I would like to
see why Heaven being part of this universe causes any problems?
He Wrote
The above verse implies that Muhammad believed heaven must be a geographic place and that God has a physical body.
Because if he had thought that Heaven is a spiritual realm, then where did the body of Jesus go? You need a physical place to
accommodate a physical body. In an age that science is unraveling the mysteries of the extra terrestrial space, it would be
interesting to question a Muslim, where is this physical heaven that Christ has ascended and God has set up his thrown?
My Response
The level of his argument is one of the worst I have ever seen, note what he asks:
where is this physical heaven that Christ has ascended and God has set up his thrown?
he is asking where heaven is! Well I shall answer you, I have no idea where heaven is, and neither does any
Muslim, and I can also tell you that no satelite is ever going to find heaven no matter how hard you try. So is that
your entire argument mr Sina? Your argument is that where is Heaven? Is that what your argument is based on?!
Hillarious indeed! Now as for Allah having a physical body, us as Muslims say Allah does have a form, what it
looks like, nobody knows, here is a rebuttal where I deal with this issue:
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_20.htm
So terrible argument I must say.
He Wrote
One wonders why Muhammad would say such thing despite the emphasis in all four Gospels. The answer lies in the group of
Nestorian Christians who populated the Damascus and Northern Arabia during time of Muhammad. These Christians thought
that it would be impossible to kill the Son of God and believed that god tricked the Jews and sent someone else who looked
like Jesus to be crucified, thus he saved his favorite Son. This is the source of the above verses of Quran.
My Response
Now notice how Sina attacks Muhammad for supposedly plagerising other books, but yet Sina did not bring ONE
single reference! He did not show any evidence of this, all he said was yah there are some Christians and some
books which said Jesus did not die and yah Muhammad went and copied from them. Bring your evidence of this!
Infact the Quran has already has mentioned this and responded:
010.037
YUSUFALI: This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of
(revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
010.038
YUSUFALI: Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you
can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
010.039
YUSUFALI: Nay, they charge with falsehood that whose knowledge they cannot compass, even before the elucidation thereof
hath reached them: thus did those before them make charges of falsehood: but see what was the end of those who did wrong!
So Sina brings nuthing new, God has already responded to this silly claim of yours and has responded by giving
you a challenge! A challenge which you and your freinds have failed for 1400 years!
He Wrote
By reading Quran one realizes that Muhammad knew the New Testament only through second hand stories and he never read
the book himself.
My Response
Yes another baseless claim, infact here is a great link responding to the supposed Quran borrowing from other
sources theory:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/
He Wrote
There is another mistake of Muhammad that should be really embarrassing to anyone who claims that Quran is a revealed
book. And that is about confusing Marry the Mother of Christ with Miriam the Sister of Aaron and Moses. These two were born
about 1400 years apart from each other. See what Quran says.
At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: "O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou
brought! "O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!" Q. 19:27-28
<http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/019.qmt.html>
And Mary, the daughter of `Imran, ... -- Q. 66:12 <http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html>
My Response
Another out-dated argument, it amazes me that Islam haters will always go over the same rubbish argument over
and over and over again! This argument has already been responded to on these links:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/mary.html
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qbhc06.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qbhc06_1.htm
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Quran/Contra/External/sister_of_aaron.htm
http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/qanda/40.php
The fact is the verse didnt literally mean sister of Harun, the Quran itself shows that Harun and Musa are
brothers who came way before Jesus. The Quran itself refutes this theory if Harun was supposedly literally the
sister of Mary, forget the Bible, the Quran refutes such a lie! So we dont need the Bible telling us ohh they cant
be sister and brother because they came way before each other, yes we already know that. However so, the
Quran did not literally mean sister of Harun as from same mother and father, the Quran is its own best tafsir. So
since we know from the Quran alone, that Mary and Harun cannot be brother and sister, when we then see Mary
being called sister of Harun, we know this isnt literall because the Quran testifies that Harun came before her, so
hence the Quran explains itself. Hence we know the Quran was not speaking literally when it said O sister of
Harun!
He Wrote
In Quran one finds a lot of mistakes of this sort that shows Muhammad had very little knowledge of the reality of this world as
well as of other religious books that he claimed are God's revelations. For a detailed study of the mistakes in Quran visit this
site, and see for yourself if really Quran is a miracle!
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
My Response
Well we clearly saw you are the one with very little knowledge, you brought the worst arguments I have seen.
Thanks for providing that link, because here is another link that responds to that rubbish link of yours:
http://answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm
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He Wrote
Despite the fact that all Christians believe that Christ was crucified, which is also clearly stated in the Mark 15. 21-41; Matt.
27.32-44; Luke 23. 26-43 and John 19. 17-27, Quran states that it wasn't Jesus that the Jews crucified but someone
resembling him.
My Response
From me, Osama Abdallah:
Not all "Christians" believe that Jesus got crucified. The Early Christians' Doctrines clearly declared that Jesus never
got crucified! In fact, several of the Disciples' original writings (Peter, John, Barnabas and others), not the third-party and
mysterious written books and narrations that you have today in the so-called "books and "gospels", clearly declared that Jesus
never got crucified, with their own original hand-writings and words!
To the reader, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac24.htm#links to see the clear-cut proofs and quotes!
Ali Sina begins his article with a fallacy, he states that Christians believe in the crucifixtion as if its something
special. The fact is satanists believe satan is God, does that matter? So what point is there in Ali making that
statement? There is non. Just because Christians believe Jesus died does not mean anything. So him saying that
basically has nuthing to do with anything, if his article was comparing Muslims and Christians then he would have
a point, however so his article is an attack on Islam and saying Christians believe something other than what
Islam teaches means NUTHING. Christians believing Jesus died doesnt disprove Islam, as a matter of fact I would
like to thank Sina for bringing this up, because it actually backfires against him later on.
He Wrote
"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," -
but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that
man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture.
For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)
My Response
Now its good he posts this verse, because this verse from the Quran calls the Bible corrupt, notice what it says:
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but
they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that
man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but
conjecture. For surely; they killed him not
Notice how the Quran states that those who believe Jesus died that they follow nuthing but corruption, what
book says that Jesus died on the cross? The Bible does, therefore the Bible is corrupt therefore the Christians
are wrong, so Ali saying Christians say Jesus dies means NUTHING because Quran corrects this.
He Wrote
The story of Christ being lifted to heaven "in body and soul" is obviously contrary to all logic and science
My Response
I am grateful Ali Zina said that, because now lets see how his earlier comments which were:
Despite the fact that all Christians believe that Christ was crucified, which is also clearly stated in the Mark 15. 21-41; Matt.
27.32-44; Luke 23. 26-43 and John 19. 17-27
Note how he says what Christians believe as if what they say is true, and Sina himself gives the impression that
its true, but the reason why this backfires against him is because he attack the Quran on this reason:
The story of Christ being lifted to heaven "in body and soul" is obviously contrary to all logic and science
Now wait a minute, according to Christians Jesus didnt just die, he rose on the third day! Now that is also
contrary to all logic and science! So then why did Sina mention what Christians believe as if they are correct,
when the Christians belief is also contrary to science and logic! This shows how stupid Sina is and how he lies
like a fool. So thank you Sina for exposing yourself. Your a lowlife, your a loser, just wanted to remind you of that.
He Wrote
One wonders what kind of Heaven Muhammad was envisioning? The above verse implies that Muhammad believed heaven
must be a geographic place and that God has a physical body. Because if he had thought that Heaven is a spiritual realm,
then where did the body of Jesus go?
My Response
Heaven or paradise is in this world, this physical universe, not some where else, it not like a button, you die and
go into another world, its not like that. So stop attacking straw mans by saying where did the body of Jesus go,
because Islam's heaven is in this universe, not some different world. Is that a problem? No it isnt, I would like to
see why Heaven being part of this universe causes any problems?
He Wrote
The above verse implies that Muhammad believed heaven must be a geographic place and that God has a physical body.
Because if he had thought that Heaven is a spiritual realm, then where did the body of Jesus go? You need a physical place to
accommodate a physical body. In an age that science is unraveling the mysteries of the extra terrestrial space, it would be
interesting to question a Muslim, where is this physical heaven that Christ has ascended and God has set up his thrown?
My Response
The level of his argument is one of the worst I have ever seen, note what he asks:
where is this physical heaven that Christ has ascended and God has set up his thrown?
he is asking where heaven is! Well I shall answer you, I have no idea where heaven is, and neither does any
Muslim, and I can also tell you that no satelite is ever going to find heaven no matter how hard you try. So is that
your entire argument mr Sina? Your argument is that where is Heaven? Is that what your argument is based on?!
Hillarious indeed! Now as for Allah having a physical body, us as Muslims say Allah does have a form, what it
looks like, nobody knows, here is a rebuttal where I deal with this issue:
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_20.htm
So terrible argument I must say.
He Wrote
One wonders why Muhammad would say such thing despite the emphasis in all four Gospels. The answer lies in the group of
Nestorian Christians who populated the Damascus and Northern Arabia during time of Muhammad. These Christians thought
that it would be impossible to kill the Son of God and believed that god tricked the Jews and sent someone else who looked
like Jesus to be crucified, thus he saved his favorite Son. This is the source of the above verses of Quran.
My Response
Now notice how Sina attacks Muhammad for supposedly plagerising other books, but yet Sina did not bring ONE
single reference! He did not show any evidence of this, all he said was yah there are some Christians and some
books which said Jesus did not die and yah Muhammad went and copied from them. Bring your evidence of this!
Infact the Quran has already has mentioned this and responded:
010.037
YUSUFALI: This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of
(revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
010.038
YUSUFALI: Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you
can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
010.039
YUSUFALI: Nay, they charge with falsehood that whose knowledge they cannot compass, even before the elucidation thereof
hath reached them: thus did those before them make charges of falsehood: but see what was the end of those who did wrong!
So Sina brings nuthing new, God has already responded to this silly claim of yours and has responded by giving
you a challenge! A challenge which you and your freinds have failed for 1400 years!
He Wrote
By reading Quran one realizes that Muhammad knew the New Testament only through second hand stories and he never read
the book himself.
My Response
Yes another baseless claim, infact here is a great link responding to the supposed Quran borrowing from other
sources theory:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/
He Wrote
There is another mistake of Muhammad that should be really embarrassing to anyone who claims that Quran is a revealed
book. And that is about confusing Marry the Mother of Christ with Miriam the Sister of Aaron and Moses. These two were born
about 1400 years apart from each other. See what Quran says.
At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: "O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou
brought! "O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!" Q. 19:27-28
<http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/019.qmt.html>
And Mary, the daughter of `Imran, ... -- Q. 66:12 <http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html>
My Response
Another out-dated argument, it amazes me that Islam haters will always go over the same rubbish argument over
and over and over again! This argument has already been responded to on these links:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/mary.html
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qbhc06.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qbhc06_1.htm
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Quran/Contra/External/sister_of_aaron.htm
http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/qanda/40.php
The fact is the verse didnt literally mean sister of Harun, the Quran itself shows that Harun and Musa are
brothers who came way before Jesus. The Quran itself refutes this theory if Harun was supposedly literally the
sister of Mary, forget the Bible, the Quran refutes such a lie! So we dont need the Bible telling us ohh they cant
be sister and brother because they came way before each other, yes we already know that. However so, the
Quran did not literally mean sister of Harun as from same mother and father, the Quran is its own best tafsir. So
since we know from the Quran alone, that Mary and Harun cannot be brother and sister, when we then see Mary
being called sister of Harun, we know this isnt literall because the Quran testifies that Harun came before her, so
hence the Quran explains itself. Hence we know the Quran was not speaking literally when it said O sister of
Harun!
He Wrote
In Quran one finds a lot of mistakes of this sort that shows Muhammad had very little knowledge of the reality of this world as
well as of other religious books that he claimed are God's revelations. For a detailed study of the mistakes in Quran visit this
site, and see for yourself if really Quran is a miracle!
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
My Response
Well we clearly saw you are the one with very little knowledge, you brought the worst arguments I have seen.
Thanks for providing that link, because here is another link that responds to that rubbish link of yours:
http://answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm
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